Radical feminist anti hate speech, sexual predators, and forgive and forget for the cause.


Below are quotes from Evelina Giobbe. Evelina’s work is prominently featured on the Melissa Farley website Prostitution Research and Education. Evelina was Executive Director of WHISPER: Women Hurt and Systems of Prostitution Engaging in Resistance

Evelina and WHISPER, Women Hurt and Systems of Prostitution Engaging in Resistance settled out of court with a gag order as a result of what Evelina perpetrated, which as you read below was sexual assault against a one time client who became an employee of WHISPER. WHISPER folded. Kelly Holsopple’s allegations were supported by other clients of WHISPER. Google Evelina Giobbe/Kelly Holsopple for more information. See below the legal notice from Minneapolis Newspaper “City Pages” Yet Evelina’s “work” is prominently featured on Farley and many other radical feminist websites. Was their outcry against Evelina in the radical feminist community? Only from a few, virtually none of which are in radical feminism anymore, either driven out as heretics or no longer able to stomach that movement’s ethical breaches. Evelina committed acts very similar to those of Kyle Payne. Yet that fact was swept under the carpet by Farley and others. Why? I don’t know. Apparently Evelina’s “work” is more valuable than human beings and thus her actions of sexual harassment/sexual assault are forgivable. Or if not forgiven, at least conveniently forgotten.

Evelina is different from Kyle Payne how? Did radical feminism care a whole lot about Kelly Holsopple? Or was her victimization and that of others buried to save the movement from having one of it’s leaders exposed?

The contention that the sex worker rights movement was somehow corrupt in being the one to bring fourth the information about Kyle Payne. That somehow Renegade Evolution was somehow morally bankrupt for focusing attention on Kyle because she allegedly collaborates with rapists. As by radical feminist definition all porn is prostitution and all prostitution is bought and sold rape.

When radical feminists use terms such as pro prostitution, pro porn, pro pimp lobby, it is important to consider the context. Which occurred to me may not be fully understood other than by those of us that were part of the rad fem/anti movement until we couldn’t deal with the hypocrisy. Which the blowback from breaking with that movement is to put it mildy intense. There is a movement that has a very harsh penalty for heresy. Heresy often being daring to question the ethics of the movement upper hierarchy. In radical feminism anti activism, it is often fine to have huge ethical breaches as long as one doesn’t transgress policy or embarrass the leadership. Back to Evelina. Her “:work” remains idolized by radical feminism. Forget what she did to Kelly Holsopple and others. Forget or be ejected from the movement for questioning why Evelina isn’t being called on her actions and why she is considered a role model.

Back to the bought and sold rape thing and labels like pro porn. When radical feminists call someone pro porn they aren’t saying it as a statement that the person is a porn supporter. They are using these terms to say the person is pro rape, pro rapist, pro trafficking, pro sexual assault. Which none of are. It is easy to say screw the rad fems. Who cares what they think. Maybe that has validity, but it is also important to consider the message they are sending that is bought by others. Throwing hate speech like calling us pro rape, pro sexual assault, while they chastise Renegade Evolution for bringing Kyle Payne’s guilty plea for sexually assaulting a woman to the front page. The same woman who calls me pro porn aka pro rapist and states that I am part of a group trying to bully Maggie Hays into silence, then advocates that Maggie seek legal redress to stop me from speaking my mind. Via threat of an attorney.

Is there contradiction, hypocrisy and hatred coming from the rad fem anti movement? Well, that is up to the individual to determine however……………

So, some rad fem anti types, save the lone voice in the wildnerness standing up to massive exploitation thing for the choir. Save the hate speech labels and name calling and the pretentious and faux self righteousness and take a look at your own movement and what they do, what they forgive and forget.

Kelly Holsopple is a friend. I haven’t forgotten. For the record, In 1998 when found about what happened to Kelly, and went to the courthouse and got all the legal paperwork on the case which made it clear that Kelly experienced what she stated she did, not that I ever doubted her, I didn’t, but I wanted my ducks in a row before I made my case. Evelina contacted me and tried very hard to use intimidation and threats to tell me to shut my fucking mouth. Others like Donna Hughes quickly jumped in to the fray to advise that maybe it was best for the movement if this wasn’t discussed. I’ll give Farley credit on that one. She was silent about my statements. Although that was because she didn’t want to give me credibility by admitting I existed after she had spent so much time and effort trying to convince people that I was actually Carol Leigh.

From Prostitution Research and Education the website of Melissa Farley

90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, Minneapolis, Minnesota).

A Comparison of Pimps and Batterers” is a condensed version of a longer article by Evelina Giobbe, entitled “An Analysis of Individual, Institutional, and Cultural Pimping,” which appeared in Michigan Journal of Gender & Law, 1993, 1 (1): 33-57.

Copyright © 1994, 1998 Evelina Giobbe. All Rights Reserved.

PUBLICDOMAIN

http://www.citypages.com/1997-07-02/news/anatomy-of-a-sellout

Kelly Holsopple, Plaintiff, vs. WHISPER, Inc., Evelina Giobbe, and Mary Madden, Defendants; complaint filed in Hennepin County District Court June 26, 1997. Plaintiff states and alleges as follows:

[…] Defendant WHISPER [Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt] provides community education on prostitution as a form of systematic violence against women and children, and assists women in escaping systems of prostitution by providing social services to them.

[…] Plaintiff Kelly Holsopple is a former prostitute and stripper. She first became a client of WHISPER when she attended a Radical Education and Support Group facilitated by Evelina Giobbe in the fall of 1992.

[…] Plaintiff quit stripping on Sept. 21, 1994. Her motivation to quit included her admiration of Defendant Giobbe’s work for prostitutes, her desire to do similar work, and Defendant Giobbe’s promise to be a mentor and teacher to her.

…] Exploiting Plaintiff’s admiration and affection, as well as her vulnerability and trust in WHISPER, Defendant Giobbe engaged in inappropriate sexual contact with Plaintiff while she was a client and former client of WHISPER, as well as an employee. Among other actions, Defendant Giobbe: Invited her to an intimate party at her apartment; told Plaintiff she loved her; told her she was bisexual; drank and danced with her at bars and clubs; asked her to stay overnight at her apartment; partially and fully disrobed in her presence; told Plaintiff she was sexually attracted to her; commented seductively on her physical beauty and energy; slept with Plaintiff; and physically touched and assaulted her including hugging, kissing, putting her head in Plaintiff’s lap, circling Plaintiff’s arms around her, and touching and biting her breasts…

[…] In April of 1996, Defendant Giobbe sexually assaulted Plaintiff. She partially disrobed Plaintiff in her car, bit her breast, kissed and slapped her, asking, “Whose pussy is this?” Defendant Giobbe had previously told Plaintiff that her pimp had used that question and had demanded that she respond with his name. The only way that Plaintiff could get Giobbe to stop slapping her was by saying “It’s Evelina’s pussy.”

[…] In early 1996, WHISPER’s Executive Committee and Board of Directors received complaints by two employees against Defendant Giobbe, stating that she engaged in inappropriate sexual contact with clients and employees and harassed and intimidated clients and staff members.

[…] In mid-September 1996, staff members were informed that the Board of Directors had voted to dissolve WHISPER.

A Comparison of Pimps and Batterers” is a condensed version of a longer article by Evelina Giobbe, entitled “An Analysis of Individual, Institutional, and Cultural Pimping,” which appeared in Michigan Journal of Gender & Law, 1993, 1 (1): 33-57.

Copyright © 1994, 1998 Evelina Giobbe. All Rights Reserved.

11 Responses

  1. …jesus, that’s whacked.

  2. Thank you so much for posting about this, Jill. I knew it had happened, but didn’t know nearly as much about it as you say here. I too am rather alarmed by the way Payne is getting mentioned and very few people drew parallels between Giobbe and Payne.

  3. They aren’t allowed to draw the parallels. That would be heresy and they would be thrown out of the rad fem movement. Kelly Holsopple, like most other sexual assault victims in a corporate/political environment was sacrificable for the sake of the movement. Evelina essentially invented the rad fem exit prostitution org type concept that became the model for CPA, Breaking Free, SAGE, etc, she gets a free pass. Kelly got ramrodded more than once and the rad fems don’t want to talk about it because the still love idolize Evelina. They didn’t want to deal with Kyle Payne either but because the evil pro porn types made it so visible and he was low on the food chain he was sacrificial.

  4. A big thanks from me too, Jill.

  5. I have a PDF and/or jpg somewhere also of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune’s article on the Giobbe case. I can dig it up and post a link here if the additional contextual information would be helpful.

  6. Please do Victoria. I was hoping you’d post on this!

  7. It might take me a bit, I just looked for the electronic versions now and can’t immediately find. We just moved too so if I have to rescan the crap, I have to first figure out which box it’s in (I have a reasonably good idea, but it might take a few days).

  8. While the documentation is great Victoria. It isn’t necessary before you speak your mind. Anyone can google Evelina Giobbe, Kelly Holsopple, or Holsopple, V Giobbe, and WHISPER. Or go to the courthouse in Hennepin County and look this up should they wish to spend the time. Most of it is public record other than the fact that Giobbe settled out and WHISPER folded with a gag order on Kelly as part of the settlement.

    Regardless, what I’m driving at is if anyone is hung up on absolute documentation it isn’t hard to find. Thus you should not feel that you have to have the smoking gun in order for your point to be believed.

    Evelina is a sexual predator. And she is forgiven by radical feminism. With the hope that her crimes were forgotten. That Farley and others can have a predators shit on their websites and quote a predators “work”, and just forgive and forget. I’m sure their argument is well, it settled out of court and Kelly hasn’t spoken about it since. Of course they don’t say why Kelly hasn’t spoken of it.

    Hughes tried desperately to force silence on the issue of Giobbe in the late 90’s perhaps afterward. I’d had enough of Hughes in 1999.

    Victoria, you do realize that just by talking to me you are likely to be considered a betrayer and apostate yourself. This isn’t the first time either.

  9. I really don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks of me at this point. I mean, I nuked four years worth of my blog back in April after making myself crazy dealing with a lot of racist bullshit from self-described feminist Clinton supporters (e.g., one who generously offered that the Obamas should, I shit you not, “go back to Africa”). That isn’t the feminism I know and love; nor is Giobbe’s. But I’m just done dealing with everyone else’s political agendas.

    The only thing left to me now is to tell my own stories, some of which bear relevance to sex trade issues, and many of which don’t. (This is despite the efforts of many, among feminist and other factions, to view my entire history in terms of the specific things that happened to me between July and September of 1993, which, while they were undeniably traumatic, against my will, could have gotten me killed, etc., actually don’t define the entirety of my existence – whodathunkit?)

    I’m aware that no matter what I say about what I’ve both experienced and what I’ve witnessed (along with the narratives of other women which I’ve absorbed along the way) can and will be used as ideological cannon fodder by whomever wishes to do so, and that in the process, any number of things have have said or will say will be misinterpreted, and/or used to support positions with which I may vehemently disagree.

    But tough shit. I’ll write what I need to write; considering what I have, in fact, survived, I think I’m owed at least the courtesy and dignity of unfettered creative freedom in terms of what I choose to do with that experience. I don’t owe anyone on any side of the prostitution politics divide a goddamned thing.

    And you’re right about the documentation issue. I find the material is useful, a memory jogger and a means by which to authenticate whatever it is one chooses to represent, but if I didn’t have that, I could certainly make do with my memories as-is. (Remember: feminism is a movement that listens to women! What a concept, right?)

    From here until the day I die, my narrative is going to have to be more literary than polemic. In the past, the further entrenched I became in ideological and overtly activist process, the more I became disillusioned by liars and violators of every possible kind. (This doesn’t mean I’ve become apolitical; hardly. But as I don’t thing the more overtly political work I was engaged in before, no matter how much sincerity I’d brought to it, was particularly effective anyway. Writing is what I do best; and books do, despite how readers may variously interpret them, help to stimulate change.) (Unbelievable that I actually feel some need to justify that.)

    Every movement has such liars and violators; most every movement also has people who are just trying to do the right thing in the ways that make the most sense to them. Generally speaking, I wouldn’t say radical feminism has more or less of a problem in this regard, than does nearly any other social justice movement. There are sincere actors and insincere predators, but for me to do my work in the best way possible, I have to dissociate myself from damned near everyone, including potential allies.

    I will say (without commenting specifically on anything else Donna Hughes has ever said or done outside of the specific context under discussion – the history with Giobbe) that when I told her about what I had witnessed and experienced both while I was a client at WHISPER and during the weeks (it was approximately one month) I lived with her in St. Paul, Hughes was extremely supportive and actually helped to validate some of what I’d experience by sharing, in confidence (which I will continue to respect), relevant facts of which she was already aware.

    That may be in contrast with your experience, of course, but again, I can only attempt to represent my own.

    Peace – V.

  10. It is a contrast with my experience Victoria, but I’m glad to hear of the contrast. We all need support in times of need. I am glad to hear that she was supportive of you when you needed her. Agree or disagree even as vehemently as I do with Donna, and even though my experiences did contrast, without question I believe the world is a better place and activism from every perspective is better off when each person finds support, finds things, people, organizations etc, that make them stronger, healthier and more included.

    I truly am glad she was there for you

  11. […] What this means is that when conversations happen about sex work in radfem circles, only some women have their voices validated, and even then this validation occurs in the context that she’s actually providing the correct (to radfem sensibilities) narrative regarding her own experiences. If she deviates from this narrative, she loses her conditionally privileged voice. […]

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