Kyle Payne, Maggie Hays, Microcosms of a movement

Kyle Payne is a microcosm of the dangerous dynamic of radical feminism. He and Maggie Hays aren’t so far apart even though they are worlds apart and I am by no means comparing her to a sexual predator. Agree or disagree with her or her politics, even her methods, but she is not kyle and nothing like him. Their radical feminist anti porn activism websites have hit some milestones this week for very different reasons.

Maggie’s “I blame the Porniarchy “is faux sociology with a huge sense of needing to be oppressed at the worst level possible in a way that can only be described by reading it. Put it this way it is about the global conquest of women by the porniarchy. It involves, pornocrats, promises to never surrender to the porniarchy infidel type conquerors.

Kyle Payne, one time pro feminist/anti porn radical feminist, still self advertising as one despite his conviction and guilt in the sexual assault of a female student he was responsible for as an RA in an Iowa college. They are very far apart in some ways. In others very similar, linked by a parasitic faction of radical feminism.

But the effects of radical feminism are there in both of them. It’s appeal is to a person victimized by some sort of abuse. It’s a movement that says welcome, join us, process your pain through talking with us about it, share with us about it. If it were in a support group/mental health setting with controls like neutral group leaders, etc, it probably could be a good thing for many. But this attach victim/survivors to recovery via fighting some mythical/monolithic enemy because justice isn’t available is toxic. It is a blood bank for psychic vampires like Farley, a holy war for the high and mighty ones to use the lower hierarchy rad fems as cannon fodder to prove themselves as worthy. The last fucking thing someone that is recovering from trauma needs is to be put into a warrior environment fighting some thing seemingly so evil that it is viewed as an archy that has enslaved 3.5 billion people, taken over a culture or cultures and is some orchestrated plan when fact is it isn’t.

Kyle didn’t belong anywhere near radical feminism. It became novaciane for him to cover whatever he was feeling from his own past abuse. He was surrounded by victim/survivors and ultimately his hunger was too much. Like the sadistic cop surrounded by vulnerable people it is a matter of time before his belly became empty and he had to feed off a victim. His actions will forever change his victim.

Kyle belongs no where near feminist activism. Especially radical feminism where so many are so vulnerable. He tries to make the case that he is making amends, but the fact that his CV/marketing sheet is still up on his blog undermines all his I’m not doing anymore activism until I’m better shit. His diatribe about being smeared by pro porn bloggers. He still sees vast enemies and himself as the victim. Who knows whether his rad fem allies will eventually forgive and forget his atrocities because they need the token male pro feminist. Not to mention rad feminism is not a movement that tends to police itself. Had the SWR movement especially Ren made a huge amount of noise it is likely the rad fems would have covered this up for the sake of party loyalty, allowed him to stay because he’s a valuable soldier in their Quixotic war.

If he truly wanted to face up to his crimes he wouldn’t close comments to his amends letter and beg for women to write to him. He is still trolling. He probably doesn’t even recognize this.

Kyle, dude, if you want to make amends and do it right, then open yourself up to people holding you accountable, take it like a fucking adult, don’t make excuses, don’t give reasons, just fucking take it, straight on without flinching to avoid the pain, look people in the eye that you have hurt and take their anger, their betrayal and whatever else they feel and give them the respect of honoring their feelings without inserting yourself into it. That would be a statement of being accountable and willing to face your crimes.

This woosey passive aggressive, please write me women, but in silence, sounds like you are trying to play the bottom that wants to still control. If you are making amends, you don’t get to control. You take your punishment straight on, do it with dignity asking nothing in return, allow those you hurt to say what they need as long as they need to until they are whole again. Go to meetings not just with your therapist and supportive parents but with other sex offenders, because Kyle you are a sex offender, a sex addict, and until you face your peers, other sex offenders who will call you on your bullshit, you wont’ be called on your bullshit fully because only other sex offenders truly will understand your thought process and motives.

Why do I get the feeling Kyle doesn’t have the cojones or desire to make amends straight?

And Kyle, stay the fuck away from young women, especially ones that have been victims of abuse. Now that you have tasted blood, it will always be there.

If you want to make amends than do it right. If not than shut the fuck up as you are worse now than you were when you committed the act because now you are just getting off on the whole drama playing passive aggressive.

1:51 AM

7 Responses

  1. “Had the SWR movement especially Ren made a huge amount of noise it is likely the rad fems would have covered this up for the sake of party loyalty, allowed him to stay because he’s a valuable soldier in their Quixotic war.”

    Hi Jill, I don’t agree with everything you say here, but I’m afraid to say on this point you may be right. We will never know of course, but there were noticably fewer ‘radfems’ talking about Kyle, whilst most of them looked the other way. Also, some of them said that the fact it was Ren et al doing most of the talking about Kyle, meant that his crime was being used as and excuse to attack ‘radfems’ in general, which is the sort of thing only a very paranoid, cult-like organisation could come up with, given the complete lack of evidence.

    I can see it happening: had it been left to the ‘radfems’ to deal with they would, in all likelihood, have “covered this up for the sake of party loyalty”, as you say. Afterall, he only sexually assaulted a woman, he didn’t do anything really bad like start talking to sex-positive feminists, and listening to them, which we all know is what you really need to do to inspire their wrath.

  2. What is an uber-pimp?

    1) A politician or other type of government bureaucrat who ruins the lives of prostitutes in order to further his or her career. This involves passing laws against them or punishing them in other ways.

    2) Any person or entity who wants to keep prostitution criminalized in one form or another.

    3) Any person or entity who uses indirect, Orwellian methods to keep prostitution criminalized. This third type of uber-pimp is the worst kind, because he or she usually expresses pretend concern for prostitutes, but in fact feels nothing of the kind. They want to punish prostitutes, but not in such way as to make it *appear* that’s what they’re actually doing. These type of uber-pimps have a reputation of being liberal or feminist, and therefore cannot advocate the obvious methods of punishment, such as jail-time. Their two most favorite devices-of-punishment are the Orwellian-Swedish method and the Owellian-Antitrafficking method. The Orwellian-Swedish method (so-called because it’s the law in Sweden) punishes the prostitute through her clients, meaning that it is “legal” for her to sell sex, but “illegal” for her client to buy sex from her. This indirectly punishes the prostitute, because she automatically becomes an accomplice to her client’s “crime” of buying sex from her if she agrees to sell it to him. Hence, she is still punished. The Orwellian-Antitrafficking method is the one most favored in the United States and some other places. This method automatically defines any prostitute as a victim of coercion and/or kidnapping, and therefore provides a ready-made excuse to terminate her employment at whim and/or harass her in some other sickening way. All out of “concern” for her, of course. Neither one of these two Orwellian methods actually do what the uber-pimps claim they do, and that’s help prostitutes or eliminate prostitution.

    All three types of uber-pimps are in collusion with each other, and sometimes they are all one and the same. The so-called liberal or feminist uber-pimp (described in the third category) claims not to like prostitutes going to jail, but usually will not lift a finger to help actual prostitutes who’ve become victims of so-called “law enforcement”.

  3. Susan,

    So well said.

    XX

  4. Perfect, Jill. Absolutely freakin’ PERFECT.

    That is all, because you’ve said it all.

    Anthony

  5. Amanda,

    It took me about three hours to write that piece up there, at least.

    I’ve just noticed a few grammatical mistakes, so I’ll edit the piece further and send it to you at your website.

  6. Motion filed in Kyle Payne case to postpone sentencing

    Motion filed in Kyle Payne case to postpone sentencing
    By Lynda Waddington 8/1/08 1:39 PM
    Kyle Payne

    Kyle Payne

    Kyle D. Payne, a 22-year-old Iowa blogger and self-proclaimed male feminist, would like more time to undergo counseling and gather letters of support before appearing in court, according to a motion filed by his attorney in Buena Vista County this morning.

    Payne, who pleaded guilty to secretly photographing and filming a college student’s breasts, was scheduled for sentencing on Aug. 11. His attorney, F. Montgomery Brown, cites conflicts within his own schedule as well as Payne’s need for more time to prepare as reasons the court should grant the motion to continue.

    Defendant is in the process of continued counseling, the results of which will be presented at sentencing in this matter and may bear upon the Court’s determination of the appropriate sentences in the above-entitled matter.

    Counsel for Defendant is in the continued process of acquiring letters of support to support to the Court (sic) at sentencing and reasonably believes that additional time is need (sic) to acquire additional letters.

    According to the motion, Payne is currently employed and continuing post-graduate studies. Because of this, Brown argues, Payne is “neither a risk to flee or danger to the community.” Brown closes by requesting the sentencing date be moved to October. The prosecution is expected to resist an extended continuance of the hearing.

    Payne presented his guilty plea to the charges of felony attempted burglary in the second degree and two counts of invasion of privacy, a serious misdemeanor, on June 30. He faces a maximum of five years in prison and a fine up to $7,500. As a condition of the plea deal, the state has agreed that no other charges will be filed as a result of this incident.

    The incident that led to Payne’s arrest and subsequent plea agreement happened while Payne was employed as a dormitory resident adviser at Buena Vista University. Police reports indicate that while attending to an intoxicated and unconscious female student, Payne reportedly assaulted and photographed her. The guilty plea entered by Payne did not include assault charges. Tips received by police and campus security following the incident led to a 10-month investigation that resulted in the February arrest.

    The case has sparked the ire of many feminist bloggers throughout the nation, primarily due to the fact that Payne has claimed to use activism and education to promote “a more just and life-affirming culture of sexuality” for women, especially those women who have been victims of sexual violence.
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